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Film Theory: Why You SHOULDN'T FLY to Mordor! (The Lord of the Rings)

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When it comes to The Lord of the Rings, one of the most common questions circulated online is why didn’t Frodo just ride the giant Eagles to Mount Doom? There are theories out there that suggest this was the plan all along, but sadly, when you look at the evidence, that's just wrong. In fact, it's so wrong, it's dangerous! In this episode, I will give you the definitive answer to why Frodo didn’t simply ride those giant birds into Mordor!
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Atteck on teiten Anni
Atteck on teiten Anni 15 soat oldin
at 9:15 the eagles werent even involved in killing the dragon it was an elf basically on his own
formless777
formless777 Kun oldin
Anyone who says that the eagles would get corrupted by the ring remember that Bilbo rode an eagle after Goblin Town with no eagle trying to eat him for the ring.
Jasper Russ
Jasper Russ 2 kun oldin
Big volcano crushing dragon=Ancalagon the black. Also great video!
azron 453
azron 453 2 kun oldin
The one thats not simply fly to mordor
Shureshot 1232 Gameing
I don't think The Hobbit was all that bad.
formless777
formless777 Kun oldin
Are you trollin'?
Kari Wetherin
Kari Wetherin 3 kun oldin
8:46 i saw this video before i ever saw the movies and if you hadn't explained to me how that worked i'd of been soo confused
Ok Mayo
Ok Mayo 4 kun oldin
Because you’ll get rained in arrows, done saved you twelve minutes.
UMASHANKAR PATEL
UMASHANKAR PATEL 4 kun oldin
.......aaaand you must be lord of the theorists
parZival
parZival 4 kun oldin
But in the hobbit Bilbo baggins had the ring and he satt on with the eagles Sorry about my english im norwegian
deadshot 090
deadshot 090 5 kun oldin
But if frodo would still wear the ring and they just would ride on them it would work
leespiderpod
leespiderpod 7 kun oldin
In The Hobbit (book), Gandalf also says the eagles will not fly anywhere near men as they will shoot them down. "Fly you fools" means run (obviously)!
Alan O'Leary
Alan O'Leary 8 kun oldin
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buddy
buddy 8 kun oldin
4:46 pip man?pit man??????
Ni' kerk
Ni' kerk 4 kun oldin
buddy PIP-BOY
Extremegaming X1X
Extremegaming X1X 9 kun oldin
Am I the only person who think that the hobbit is better then the Lord of the rings Its my opinion
Brent Beck
Brent Beck 10 kun oldin
Hi
Ramonas great
Ramonas great 10 kun oldin
Have people played the old playstation lord of the rings games???
Bartek Bielecki
Bartek Bielecki 10 kun oldin
Lol, when I watched film for the first time I've heard: "Run, you FOOLS".
Taco 5150
Taco 5150 11 kun oldin
MatPat mentioned Jamba Juice in the video... I live in the town that had the first ever Jamba Juice. YEET IS WHAT WE SAY HERE.
Alec Kushmerek
Alec Kushmerek 11 kun oldin
Valar and Maiar aren't gods, they're just the first beings created by Iluvatar who think they're gods because they came first and built a lot of stuff.
Alec Kushmerek
Alec Kushmerek 11 kun oldin
Melkor was the good guy he's just misunderstood.
St0rm Ranger
St0rm Ranger 12 kun oldin
Matt should have read more. Eru Iluvatar is the god of Middle Earth not the Ainur they were like demi gods.
funncubesde
funncubesde 12 kun oldin
how about you take one of your older theories and smack it? wouldnt that be fun? picking on yourself? No but actually you've done a good job here. well done.
funncubesde
funncubesde 11 kun oldin
+Clorox Bleach yeah but how funny would it be if he made fun of himself?
Clorox Bleach
Clorox Bleach 12 kun oldin
funncubesde he’s making fun of people who picks on his theories....that’s why he said turn the tables.
David Cheney
David Cheney 12 kun oldin
Canonically Sauron isn’t a simple flaming eye. He has a semi physical form and holding a palantir from Minas Ithil, later Minas Morgul, and twisted Denethor’s mind to fall into dispair and lead Gondor to crumble. So he’d just have to check the borders of Mordor, especially with the possibility of the numerous Orc encampments. With the Eagles still able to be shot down by arrows flying into a place that would have thousands for archers ready to shoot anything in the sky and the Nazgul taking Fellbeasts after losing their horses. They might as well walk up to the gates and say they have the ring for Sauron.
atown0915
atown0915 13 kun oldin
I hope you do more theories in like middle earth I story and lord of the rings! This one has by far been my favorite film theory
Dominick Fahie
Dominick Fahie 14 kun oldin
Siron yep siron no not Sauron just fucking siron
the king of utub e
the king of utub e 14 kun oldin
Y did u use glaurong instead of ancelgon when u told the story of a dragon destroying the 3 mountains
Villa'till idie
Villa'till idie 15 kun oldin
Actually, Sauron's name is pronounced 'Souron' not 'Soreon'. It mentions how to pronounce vowels in the 'note on pronunciation', found at the end of some editions of Tolkien's work.
spKenny14
spKenny14 16 kun oldin
Was I the only one who never felt that they should have used the eagels? I mean come one, with all those nazguls and dragons the enemy could easly spot and destroy them on the way,...
Patney4910
Patney4910 16 kun oldin
Gandalf could have said, "Fly, you fools" because in the books when characters talk about running they call it flying. So, Gandalf could have meant 'run you blithering fools'
aggi999
aggi999 16 kun oldin
Did anyone think that the hobbit movies were bad? I thought they were amazingly good, but I also think star wars episode 1-3 are the greatest episodes of the franchise and that 4-6 are shit.
Kian Dianati
Kian Dianati 18 kun oldin
The other problem with that stupid reddit theory is that we know that Gandalf didn't go to the Eyre. He went to Edoras where he found Shadowfax and directly went to Rivendell afterwards. Never trust movie fans' theories!
Aphantom47
Aphantom47 18 kun oldin
This is best video
Robert Calhoun
Robert Calhoun 19 kun oldin
They could’ve made the lord of the rings in ten minutes
not johnny
not johnny 19 kun oldin
Did nobody got the reference at 4:02?
mehmet çelik
mehmet çelik 21 kun oldin
eagles eagles eagles come on guys movie doesnt tell u shows u why u cant use eagles.1) in movie u see nazguls always patrols the area and u cant avoid them. they are not ur todays little eagles they r huge as fuck. also saruman controlls the sky as u see in the first movie.If they took the eagles then ents defeating saruman is never happen and saruman controlls the sky always. If saruman spots u nazguls know where u are as well so thats one. 2) it always shows mordor's sky filled with poisonous gas from the volcano and neither eagles nor fellowship cant survive until they r reach the mount doom. To reach u have to lower and the eyesight of orcs and nazguls so u are fucked. even gandalf coming back to life as white more powerfull than saruman cant beat the witch king of angmar he dont stand a chance as grey . Nobody look at the mount doom and see the poisonous gas? people say dont tell show when u do it they cant see and say plothole.
Гриша Василев
Gandalf said "Run, you fools", meaning that the others should run out of Moria. Not to fly or whatever...
Mario Bowser494
Mario Bowser494 22 kun oldin
I don’t agree with this because Bilbo was able to ride the eagles when he had the ring so if he can then Frodo can
Caravan
Caravan 22 kun oldin
Gandalf "Fly like an". Six thousand years later ring is found on the beach.
Marcus Jayce Bjorn
Marcus Jayce Bjorn 23 kun oldin
If you read all the books that is literally the answer to why they never used the Eagles, applause for Matt
Typhoon Andy
Typhoon Andy 24 kun oldin
damn this was a year ago?
John Idolinton
John Idolinton 24 kun oldin
Yoy're reallt courageous if you have ridden all this books, I tried, and I didn't arrived. Wooow. GG
Kathryne Scott
Kathryne Scott 25 kun oldin
What about in the hobbit? When they save the drawfs from the trees when the orcs set them On fire
John Malloy
John Malloy 25 kun oldin
Could have been two really short films. Take the Eagles to Mount Doom and destroy the ring. Also, ask the Eagles to fly you all the way to The Lonely Mountain rather than leave you in the middle of nowhere at the top of a rocky crag.
Smoan
Smoan 26 kun oldin
its quite simple. cool theory for those that wants that. But its for the story. they don't fly in , they could, and we all know it.. they would have to deal with the nazgul somehow.. But yes, its for the story. Fly in and drop it would make for a poor story. Let's not pretend there is anything else ;D They already helped the "ring" in the hobbit. they flew it then.
Striker
Striker 26 kun oldin
There is only one lord of the theory and he does not share the power of knowledge There is only one lord of the ring and his name is JOHN CENA There is only one Lord of the meme and his name is shaggy There is only one lord of the infinity stones and he does wipe out half the universe
Preacher At Arrakeen
Some people have wayyyyyy too much time on their hands.
Prometheus720
Prometheus720 27 kun oldin
Actually, I'm pretty sure that Gandalf did not call Gwaihir with the moth. The moth was actually coming to Gandalf to tell him that Gwaihir was looking for him. Which explains how Gwaihir got there basically immediately.
Mk. Rowe
Mk. Rowe 28 kun oldin
I haven't read the books so THANK YOU for that titbit. I'm going to paraphrase you any time it comes up in discussions. Cheers.
Sesshomaru474
Sesshomaru474 28 kun oldin
Really the only reason they didn't do that was because they would of been shot down by archers or encountered the fellbeasts. Not sure if the griffins are immortal but they don't really have to kill the griffins just the riders. But they could easily avoid detection by flying low near the mountains and going over once they reach mordor, but I'm sure they have scouts and sentry towers there. Also like you mentioned that powerful being aren't immune to the corruption of the ring... Wouldn't they had attacked frodo for the ring because of its corruption? So it comes down to them being immortal and how strong as they were able to take down a godzilla dragon. So many possible holes flying to and not flying to, not being a good story is not one them.
Cyrill Turner
Cyrill Turner 28 kun oldin
Tetap no 2 prabowo sandi
A Person
A Person 28 kun oldin
In the books the eagles speak and say that they refuse to fly to Mordor
Jussae Taah
Jussae Taah 29 kun oldin
FLY YOU FOOLS
凍檸斌
凍檸斌 29 kun oldin
still greatest trilogy till today, loves anything around it
Dashy Awesome
Dashy Awesome 29 kun oldin
"thats like trying to sneak into jamba juice in a fighter jet" i cant right now WHAT 😂😂
Shining cactus
Shining cactus 29 kun oldin
Why didn’t you get lava hounds
Kacper Fiłon
Kacper Fiłon Oy oldin
The theory about not flying to Mordor on eagles just because they would be tempted to use the ring makes no sense - if they would like to do that, they would have taken the ring from Bilbo 60 years earlier, while they helped him and dwarves to escape from the Misty Mountains, in the Hobbit 😉. Bilbo already had the ring back then.
09EvoX
09EvoX Oy oldin
I like your eyrrrrrrrrrrie theorrrrrrrrrry
Dani Cacior
Dani Cacior Oy oldin
But in the hobbit bilbo was flying with the eagles while having the ring...
Nathan Erickson
Nathan Erickson 29 kun oldin
yeeahhh
Johan Malmbeck
"The European alps, where it's literally like -46 degrees in the Winter." What haha. It's litterally February here, on 2000m and i can sun bathe with no shirt on. It's 4 degrees celsius outside and the sun is burning hot haha. Not sure if hes talking Fahrenheit, I dont know how fahrenheit works haha. Also, Why is the guy wearing a Norwegian hat?? I thought we were talking about the European alps, not Scandinavia haha
Michel Gjerlev
I could honestly not watch further after the one minute ridiculous intro
panzermacht
panzermacht Oy oldin
when a joke is so bad you feel the need to sign in just so you can give it one dislike.
walrus fish gibbles
I need more lord of the rings theorys. PLEASE PLEASE!
Adrien Savoy
Adrien Savoy Oy oldin
I recently remembered that the matter about the eagles is actually settled inbook, as Gandalf relates his escape from Orthanc at Elrond's Council : '"- How far can you bear me?" I said to Gwaihir [aka Lord of the Wings]. '"- Many leagues," said he, "but not to the ends of the earth. I was sent to bear tidings not burdens."
Jason Edwards
Jason Edwards Oy oldin
The Hobbits could carry the One ring because they do not lust for power as much all the other mortal races. They also have a ruggedness and ability to heal faster than the other races as well. In the end it would corrupt a Hobbit (i.e Smeagól, Bilbo) but at much much slower rate. It's not that they're weak.
KirbyFan68
KirbyFan68 Oy oldin
Don't swear matt
Keldor D'Antrell
The reason why the 'eagles direct to Mordor' theory doesn't stand up is actually undermined by this video. Here it is stated that the eagles are almost as powerful as the Maiar. If this is the case then the like of Gwaihir the Wildlord would be chosen for the task and he couldn't possibly be picked off by any of the servants of Sauron as depicted in this video. In fact, this video incorrectly interprets Tolkien's milieu in regard of eagles. 'The eagles' as in the phrase, "The eagles are coming!" does not refer to great flocks of eagles as large as Boeing 747s but to a flock of large (but normal) eagles led by, perhaps, one or two of the Maiar type (at best). As there are few of the Maiar (and equivalently powerful evil beings such as Nazgul and Balrogs) there are few giant eagles like Gwaihir. Moreover, as Tolkien's book shows with careful attention, these eagles do not ordinarily involve themselves in the affairs of others. Only Gandalf and perhaps Radagast had any contact with the eagles and that was afforded them as a special privilege on rare occasions. Had the eagles been as powerful as is suggested here i.e. a force with which Gandalf consorted with a view to destroying the Ring, they would have been summoned to the Council of Elrond. In fact, it might even be correct that speaking with Gwaihir was only even possible because of Gandalf's extraordinary powers. So basically the eagles simply weren't powerful enough to just fly the Ring to Mordor. Even the Windlord himself accompanied by several of his mightiest fellows would have had a terrible job of getting past the Nazgul let alone Sauron's magic etc. were they inclined to risk themselves (and then there would be the danger of one of the eagles being seduced by the power of the ring as stated here).
The Marine Abroad
Nah. The Fellowship were constantly at odds on which way to go, and Gandalf was the only one who wanted to go through Moria, everyone else wanted to go South; ultimately they followed Frodo, and he followed Gandalf.
Fys K
Fys K Oy oldin
Well maybe not all the way but half the way come on
IrvineCascade
IrvineCascade Oy oldin
11:50 That's what the third "player" icon should be. Make it violet, and make it the "Theory Busters." Or something to that degree. Then... Of course, the fourth "player" icon must be "Blue Theory." Because... Well... "Bloobs."
MagicMemeing Random
I was sad that i could have been the only one to have the extended edition and watch it until matpat helped 😂😂
Matt Carrell
Matt Carrell Oy oldin
You can't corrupt an eagle with some trinket ring. They have no need for such things and unlike mortal men don't thirst for power…. They are not corruptible because their culture doesn't understand the concept. They are fierce predators and would more likely eat a hobbit just for the fun of it than to take some silly sparkley from him.
كحيل العين
soo after all these years i now understand one does not simply fly to mordor
htenkable p
htenkable p Oy oldin
read the title and skip to 2 minutes in we don't have time for this sorta thing browsing youtube late at night doing nothing but watch youtube.
Dudepilot 747
Dudepilot 747 Oy oldin
10:37. That statement is quite inaccurate. The Boeing 747 has a wingspan of over 220 feet and its length can only just squeeze on a football field. The wingspan of the eagles is much closer to the Airbus A300, which is much smaller. It's wingspan is 147 feet, which is just under half of the 300 feet of a football field.
Tae Kim
Tae Kim Oy oldin
Dude sound like a more annoying version of Ashton Kutcher
Franco Accifonte
I enjoyed the hell out of this one
TheBrendon67
TheBrendon67 Oy oldin
And after they were created, the eagles went multi platinum!
Anubis X
Anubis X Oy oldin
Where does morgoth rank
Ivelina Cage Dimitrova
Hi, I have some feedback for you. Back up a bit with the puns and the strange animated bits. It makes the video really hard to follow and at some point it gets a bit of annoying. I genuinely like your videos, but this one i just couldn't get through
BigJay7410
BigJay7410 Oy oldin
The biggest counter-argument I can come up with is from the Hobbit. After the companions escape from the goblin caves, this is AFTER Bilbo gets the Ring from Gollum mind you, they all climb up trees to escape the pursuing goblins and wargs(Cue the goblins singing, 15 birds in 5 fir trees.). Just when all hope seems lost and our heroes are going to burn to death in the, now on fire thanks to the goblins, trees, the Eagles appear and save everyone. Why wouldn't the Eagles, if they were so powerful, sense the Ring on Bilbo and be tempted by it then? No. The simple fact is they are not be tempted by it because they, the Eagles, are not carrying the Ring directly, in stead they are carrying the CARRIER of the Ring. When Samwise picks up the Ring he is tempted by it, when Samwise picks up Frodo, he is not("I can't carry it for you, but I can carry you."). The only reason not to use the Eagles to fly to Mount Doom is...storytelling.
Harrison Plazina
and also darth jar jar
Majestic Peggy
I just finished the first movie and THAT CLIFF HANGER HAS ME ON *EDGE*
SteinbrecherBack
I understand the Lord of the Rings and especially the Hobbit films weren't exactly great, but Chris Tolkien is being a fucking asshole when it comes to JRR Tolkien's work. He doesn't want any change or interpretations coming to it, all the while completely ignoring the fact JRR Tolkien's work is a modification and re-assembly of different historical myths.
FeatherPaw
FeatherPaw Oy oldin
Geez... the eagle theory is still hanging around? They couldn't use the eagles to fly to mordor, they would have been spotted instantly and killed off by the nazgul. You can't sneak into enemy territory with giant birds who fly just at the hight of Saurons giant eyeball. They could rescue them from mount doom AFTER the ring was destroyed and AFTER Sauron and his Nazgul were dead. Simple as that.
Jin Emon
Jin Emon Oy oldin
1:20 to skip the bs
Joy wright
Joy wright Oy oldin
How long did it take him to make those jokes? Dont get me wrong, they are great and fantastic jokes but brilliance like that, requires brain power
James De Vere
James De Vere Oy oldin
Fly you fools means run
TheStriderGamez
Hobbit is better than lotr
Ryder Stockholm
This video is so wrong
SparklySpartan04
dont forget about Cahadras stopping the Eagles
HOBO RAIDERS
HOBO RAIDERS Oy oldin
The theory assumes that ''fly'' means literal flight. In the book, Gandalf uses the word ''fly'' several times to refer to running away or hurrying, not literal flight.
Joshua Lepley
Joshua Lepley Oy oldin
I don’t know why there is the original theory anyway. We’re talking about a writer who has made countless brand new languages to go with separate races and sperate classes within those races each with a back story through 4 ages of the sun as well as an age prior to this setting up the Holy ones and their conflict with the original evil Melkor and making a flipping song that created existence with in internal battle predicting all of the conflicts of all time all only existing to make a more realistic world. And yet some people still believe that he would leave out a plan that would finish the war of the ring? Also there are way more Valar than the three with many of the Ainur coming to Arda to stop Melkor and aid in the creation of Arda. Furthermore Manwe is the leader of the Valar. Beside this point, this is practically common sense if not cannon anyway.
Alehia klorian
they did not fly to mordor because of the eye of sauron. the eye would have seen them coming. The eye would have unleashed winged creatures as well as sauron magic at them. Or the nasgul would have got them.
Oratu The Gold
I haven't watched the entire video yet, but, really? 7:38, you are off base in my opinion. Illuvitar created the world, the Valar (Manwe, Yavanna, Melkor) were part of the choir following his direction. Melkor, by the way, was Satan in the story, and Ungoliant wasn't far behind. Sauron was a minor character in the plot until Melkor was defeated. The Valar (Ainur and Maiur) were nothing without Illuvitar, and that includes Melkor and Sauron. Imagine Gabrielle and Satan without God. Satan can't create the world, he is a jealous child, and so is any other angel, no matter how much more powerful they are than humans. The beauty of Tolkien's works are that they are not a competition in perfection, but an analysis of humanity (being good), where "humanity" isn't just humans. Beorn, Gandalf, Treebeard, Tom Bombadil, etc. are all examples of non-humans participating.
Zekezoid123
Zekezoid123 Oy oldin
Buddy let me tell you dwarves can definitely kick some ass
Joseph Hewes
Joseph Hewes Oy oldin
sick video learned a lot
martin siönäs
Simpletons! The Eagles are (as you stated) the messengers of Manwe and intervene only on his behalf and NOT Gandalfs. Had Manwe wished to destroy Sauron he could simply have done so at any time. But the gods have abandoned middle earth (read Silmarillion if you want the context to this). The fact that Manwe would intervene only to save the gods steward (Gandalf the Gray Maiar) from the rogue Saruman (to later uplift him to take the place of Saruman as the white wizard) and then again once the conflict is already over makes perfect sense from that point of view.
R. DeMora
R. DeMora Oy oldin
I just love this comment ❤️
Theo Steenberg
Actually, the god damn reason is simple. The Eagles doesn’t like Gandalf and the Fellowship at all! According to Tolkien himself and the lore about the universe that he created; the lord of the Eagles, Wahir, was just doing Gandalf a favor, since Gandalf pulled a poisoned arrow out of his foot. Theory solved!
Andrew D
Andrew D Oy oldin
Summon eagle has a 40 year cool down.
The Domanation
Yah but who said that the Eagles would hold the ring. Frodo would just ride one of the Eagles and throw the ring into Mount Doom when they arrive.
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